Oh yeah...right. And calling me boring is not belittling. Get out, or post with some modicum of intelligence.

"It would seem that if you like to mine then you're a loser and should stop playing"...that attitude (referring to the attitude of the statement in quotes) is a much bigger problem than the carebears.

To make optimal use, to make best or fullest use. Come on man, simple vocabulary. To make best use of a whole pool, you have to know how to swim. How can a newbie go to the deep end of the pool if he doesn't know how to swim?

And just throwing out an ad-hominem attack is not going to gain you any ground here.

goonswarm newbies are losing ships that are dirt-cheap because they're t1 frigs or later t1 cruisers

they learn that ships and death are cheap and that your ship is liable to blow up at any moment and not to cry like a little girl over it

and they get in through the standard recruiting channels we do the vast majority of our recruiting by convincing new people to play eve and to join goonswarm, i was in within a week of starting (and it took that long because the auth director was lazy at the time)

I think you point out the problem quite well, whether you realized it or not. People don't usually go to low or null because it never occurs as a viable idea to them. All every other mmo tutorial I've seen pretty much listed out exactly what you could do in the game. People mistakenly take this idea over to eve and so they take the tutorial at face value. Thus, they stick to highsec for two years because it wasn't presented as an option until they finally get a good taste of different gameplay. And it doesn't help when all of highsec is screaming a similar message of "LOWSEC IS BAD, DON'T GO THERE!".

goonswarm recruiters often will message people in the recruitment channel, but rarely chat in the highsec npc corp chats because we are only in those on neutral alts we would rather not have exposed as goonswarm alts

and we typically recruit our newbies elsewhere